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I hate both sides of the aisle here. For fuck sake, I am mentally burnt out by these topics.


I think you do not hate corporations just for the sake of it. There is money in the outrage business. Every movement can be sabotaged by people who have their own self interest t the forefront. It is easy to hide bad behavior under emotional issues.


How did you get your first 100 customers ?


I think we posted to Reddit about it and the post got a moderate amount of attention, perhaps a few other relevant forums. Aside from that it has been word-of-mouth.


LessPhone ?

How long did it take you to develop the app ?


Around 2 days for the prototype and 3 months for refinement.


I notice some bot/troll activity in the discussions. Mostly new accounts


[citation needed]

I see this claim constantly on Reddit. I'd love to see examples of these 'bots' and paid trolls that everyone is so privy to...


> I'd love to see examples of these 'bots' and paid trolls that everyone is so privy to...

Here is a study with some examples:

https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/38wl43/we_used_sock...


it's pretty simple - if you agree with my position (which agrees with what I see on the TV), then you are a legitimate user- if you do not, then you must be a bot, and should be discredited


You really improve your persuasion skills.

>Sadly, it seems like the HN crowd won't upvote a paper that's the CS equivalent of breaking the speed of light:

Comments like this will turn people off the rest of your post.


Different people have different reactions. That line is actually what piqued my interest.

Since AP CompSci in HS it's been hammered into students that any sort based on comparisons has a strict lower bound of O(n*log n).

And sorting is particularly important in search engines, of which I've been working on.

So, an algorithm that drastically improves the speed of sorting would actually open up a few more possibilities to consider.

Thanks for sharing the paper KirinDave, I plan to read it.


Check my submission history. I tried twice.

I dunno how I "persuade" more.


> I dunno how I "persuade" more.

In your original post, the first paragraph made you sound like a crank. You said the paper is like breaking the speed of light, but you don't even mention the topic of the paper. I almost stopped reading at that point. Similarly for the sentence towards the end saying that this is "crazy important". People can decide that for themselves. They can decide even better if you put stuff into context.

So to persuade more, for this specific post of yours, I would have suggested to replace the first paragraph by something like: "Here is a surprising paper that shows that you can sort general data structures in linear time!"


> In your original post, the first paragraph made you sound like a crank. You said the paper is like breaking the speed of light, but you don't even mention the topic of the paper. I almost stopped reading at that point. Similarly for the sentence towards the end saying that this is "crazy important". People can decide that for themselves. They can decide even better if you put stuff into context.

I literally mention the TITLE of the paper, itself precisely explaining its domain & method, directly after the statement and end it with a semicolon.

Let's be real here. The paper is a real dragon of a read. If you're not going to go past a single surprising sentence maybe it was pointless for me to mention it anyways.

> "Here is a surprising paper that shows that you can sort general data structures in linear time!"

I have done this twice, tried different tact twice more, and been downvoted or ignored every time. This is the new me, assuming that folks just don't know how their every artifice of computation is backed by sort. And I suppose... why would they? A great many people simply skip even the basic theory of computation as they join the industry now, and maybe that's okay.

But I say it precisely as I do to generate shock. It should be surprising. I've caught people interviewing for principal engineering positions at Google and Amazon off guard with this. It's very, very surprising.


> I have done this twice, tried different tact twice more, and been downvoted or ignored every time.

You should have tried this: "This weird trick by a dad sorts in linear time. Check it out!" Proven to work on so many ad-ridden clickbait websites, so why shouldn't it work on HN? ;-)


"I don't want to live on this planet anymore."


I don't know if your comment is humour in reply to my humour, or if you're actually kinda hurt. So let's err on the safe side.

The short comment "weird trick" that you replied to was just a joke intending to yield a smile to readers, including you. Actually I liked the "speed limit" way you previously used to submit the paper on HN.

That said, I skimmed through the article you mention and found it to look serious and instructive (from my experience getting a Ph.D. in computer science / robotics, yet nothing does not guarantee anything) yet needing to allocate a serious time slot for actual understanding. Many people, even on HN, don't upvote due to complexity, yet it was right to submit it. A number of other insightful comments were written in this thread, thanks for them. Also, your ELI5 explanations are interesting.

My current feeling is like: this sort/discriminator stuff is probably valuable, though it will start usage in demanding situations. It may also eventually be used, without their users even knowing, as a private implementation detail of some data structure in high-level languages. Wait and see.

Back to feelings, this planet has some drawbacks but all in all it's worth it. B612 is too small, we're better here. You can expect good things from HN an similar communities but don't expect too much. Try to refrain from complaining, this feeds the negative part of you and readers as human nature tends to stick bad karma to the ones who complain. Also, when disappointed try to not misattribute causes and favor doubt. Feed the positive part of life.


I understood your joke. I was making a reference to a famous episode if Futurama.

I can't bring myself to clickbait genuine science and math.


Complaining that people aren't paying attention to a sorting paper is kinda weird and makes people take you less seriously.

Try to write a blog post on Medium that breaks it down and submit it that way.


Why on earth would I write for Medium? Will they pay me?

I think it's weird that the entire industry is not burning a hole in the atmosphere as they run to implement this wherever they can. It's a very big deal.

I suspect the problem is the paper is 80 pages. But I did link to a youtube talk that covers all the core features.


On the contrary, I'm of the opinion that the GP's line you referenced is nearly the perfect hook for HNers. [1]

[1]: https://xkcd.com/386/

Also, you really improve your forgetting a word skills.


How long did the courses take you to complete ?


Is there Teacher student interaction in the course ? How is it different from any regular MOOC ? Assignment/Projects ?


Yeah, most of the interaction takes place on forum software called Piazza. Some classes also do weekly Google Hangouts as office hours.

There are assignments, projects and exams - they've put a lot of effort into making it have the same quality and standards as the on campus programs, even going so far as to do blind grading in some courses (i.e. grade the on-campus and OMSCS courses as one).


Yes, you completely misinterpreted the who argument and twisted it to suit your view point. I think it would have been more dignified if you said you disagreed with the article. Some heights of passive aggressiveness in your comment


Please feel free to correct me.


Capability to do work does not mean you have the same qualifications to raise your level and become the cream of the crop...ie raises or promotions.

You are the one digging the wrong rabbit hole here.


By 'qualifications', what do you mean? Like professional accreditations? If so, all the more reason to help women and minorities by giving them the opportunities to earn those accreditations!

But if you mean 'innate ability to reach a higher level', then are you implying that women innately are incapable of climbing to the same senior engineering positions as men, and no amount of training or education will change that?

Just trying to understand.


I am not sure what you call this style of arguments ? You are deviating from my point and intention.

Lets take GPA for example. Do you think 2 people getting a GPA of 3.0 are of the exact same knowledge level ? Is it possible that one has the equivalent score of 3.13 and the other has 2.87 and that they were both normalized to 3 ? Same thing with the jobs. Maybe you see this at your job too. There are going to be people more skilled at what you do and people less skilled at what you do but still pulling the same salary. The salary you earn is an approximate estimate of your skill measure but not an measure of your exact skill.


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